by Van Berkel
Dans Fois entrez Roy
Et regnera moins reuolu Saturne,
Roy Turban blanc Bizance coeur ban,
Sol,Mars,Mercure pres la hurne.
(Van Berkel, 2002)
The Blue Turban King entered into Foix
And he will reign less than a rotation of Saturn.
The White Turban King Byzantium heart banished,
Sun, Mars and Mercury near the urn.
Berkel categorizes this quatrain as a horary chart quatrain.
quatrains 06-52, 09-73 and 10-50, Nostradamus writes about the "Urn".
This is the name of a constellation, but this name does not occur in the
lists of constellations, compiled by for example Ptolemy or Roussat. The
answer to the question which constellation is at stake, is contained in
1594, De Chavigny, Nostradamus' secretary, published comments on the Présages,
the monthly political predictions of Nostradamus. In the Présage
for June 1555, the first line reads: Far near the Urn the
wicked one turns backwards. De Chavigny thought there was a
correspondence between this line and quatrain
06-02. In the first line
of that quatrain, Nostradamus wrote: The year 580 more or less...
According to De Chavigny, Nostradamus referred to the period 1580-1581,
in which Saturn (Saturn is in astrology a "malefic", an evil
planet) was moving through the sign of Aquarius. This sign often is
depicted as a human being, pouring water from a jar. According to De
Chavigny, the name "urn" is synonymous with Aquarius. Quatrain
06-02 would deal with the period around 1585 AD, for France a
This interpretation is wrong. Nostradamus wrote the Présages
as being predictions for actual months, not as being predictions that
would be fulfilled after - in this case - 30 years. The first line of
the Présage for June 1555
deals with June 1555, not with another month.
June 1555, Saturn was not in Aquarius, but in Aries. Mars, in astrology
the other "wicked one", was on the 23rd degree of
Virgo, conjunct the Fixed Star Labrum on the 21st degree of
Virgo. This Star is one of the stars of the constellation Crater, a
Greek/Latin name that means "cup" or "oil jar". This
constellation was listed by Ptolemy and Roussat.
Nostradamus' lifetime, the constellation Crater was located between the
8th and the 25th degree of Virgo.
In the first line of quatrain 09-73, it reads that Sun, Mars and Mercury
are close to the urn. This means that they are close to the 8th degree
of Virgo, the beginning of the constellation Crater.
the investigation on which Nostradamus,
astrology and the Bible
is based, is concluded that the zodiacal positions of the planets in the
quatrains occurred between October 16, 1524, and October 11, 1553. In
this period, which is called the "imagination period", only
once a conjunction occurred of Sun, Mars and Mercury close to the
beginning of the constellation Crater. This was on August 18, 1530. The
Sun was on the 4th degree of Virgo, Mars on the 5th
degree and Mercury, retrograde, on the 6th degree. In the
investigation, it is concluded that quatrain 09-73 was written around
August 18, 1530 and will be fulfilled on October 4, 2006, Gregorian
calendar. The reign of the king, mentioned in the first line, will last
shorter than 29 years and 168 days (the duration of a complete cycle of
Saturn in the zodiac).
the fourth line of quatrain 06-52, it reads: the Sun in the Urn.
This refers to the moving of the Sun through the zodiacal degrees of the
constellation Crater (the 8th until the 25th
degree of Virgo). This clue does not reveal the year in which this
quatrain is written, but it does reveal that writing occurred during
August 22 and September 12 in one of the years between 1525 and 1553.
In the second line of quatrain 10-50, it reads: will discover Saturn
and three in the Urn. This clue is too insufficient to determine
when this quatrain was written.
This quatrain is expired. In October 2006, nothing happened which had
even the slightest resemblance to the allusions in quatrain 09-73.
and Leoni note that the words "the Urn"
refer to a position of Saturn in Aquarius. They do not refer to De
Meern, the Netherlands, February 15, 2004
T.W.M. van Berkel
updated on August 6, 2011
The titles, places and
year of issue of the mentioned authors are listed in the bibliography.
1. Roussat, p.72. Regarding Ptolemy: Robson, p.41.
2. Brind'Amour 1996, p.311-312; Leoni, p.456-457. [text]